What Is A Good Clean Powder For The 45 Acp

02-21-2012, 10:25 AM

I have been using Winchester WSF for loading 9mm and .45 acp and it seems to muddied up the works later sustained use. I use the HP-38 for my .38 and .357 and it is not much better. Any suggestions for a cleaner burning powder? A little dirty for the revolvers is not a big deal as gun cleaning is a lot simpler, but definitely would be interested in some options for my semi-auto loads.

02-21-2012, 10:xl AM

Anything that burns volition leave "dirt" Virtually powders if used at the lower rates are muddy and burn more complete at the upper stop of the load range. HP 38 is a prime case.

For 9mm and 40 SW, I take been using Power Pistol and it leaves just a light grey ash. Have not tried information technology 45.

Are you lot shooting lead or jacketed? Near of the "dirt" is from the lube on lead bullets.

Equally to cleaning, one or two more patches is no biggy to me. I make clean them anyway

02-21-2012, x:45 AM

I recall a clean burning pulverization in reloading is a myth. Low-cal loads are the worst with mid to max ameliorate. The store bought stuff shoots cleaner because most use some type of blended powders or a blazon not offered to the public for reloading.

Just take a few rags and some Handi-Wipes and take fun. If you lot're shooting lead bullets the lube could as well exist part of the problem. I recall it's just the toll you lot pay for getting to shoot cheaper bullets.

02-21-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ldhunter1959 View Post

I have been using Winchester WSF for loading 9mm and .45 acp and it seems to dirty upwardly the works afterwards sustained utilize. I use the HP-38 for my .38 and .357 and it is non much better. Any suggestions for a cleaner burning powder? A little dirty for the revolvers is non a large deal every bit gun cleaning is a lot simpler, only definitely would be interested in some options for my semi-automobile loads.

You did not mention the bullets y'all were using. With lead bullets fifty-fifty the cleanest burning powders will produce burned lube and pb residue.

I utilise jacketed or plated bullets in 9mm using Bullseye or WSF which fire quite clean at 9mm pressures. I accept used VV Northward-320 and VV N-330 which do burn a bit cleaner in 9mm.

In 45 ACP you have to utilize a faster burning pulverisation than WSF for cleaner burning at the lower 45ACP pressures. I utilize WST, American Select, or VV North-310.

One should also realize that balmy loads will tend non to burn as make clean as loads approching max loadings for the selected powder.

Personally I practice not understand the fascination with make clean called-for. All it takes is a wipe on the outside with a rag or the barrel and chambers with a bore castor to remove most residue. I shoot matches with 300 round counts without cleaning the gun in betwixt stages - I practise clean the gun subsequently the match.

02-21-2012, 11:16 AM

WSF commonly works well in 9mm and 40S&West because both operate at relatively higher pressures. It meters great and is fairly economical to use. I also like it in 45ACP, the old "one powder" approach, and become some of my best accuracy from it. I find that it is at its all-time at max listed loads, however. WST may exist better at lower level loads.

WSF also seems to work pretty well with cast bullets, but no cast bullet load will shoot particularly "clean" with any powder due to the nature of the bullet/lube.

02-21-2012, 05:08 PM

I use Titegroup in my 45 but I propose caution.

There are quite a few folks hither who simply will not allow a jug of this stuff on their benches for two reasons:
1) It is a very low book powder and as such a double charge will easily fit in the example. Go along yer eye on the ball!
2) It is a very fast called-for powder and reaches peak pressure level quickly. Information technology is imperative that you lot start at the low cease and work your mode up. Every bit you approach maximum load the probability of an oops increases exponentially.

My nine's eat whatever I feed them.

02-21-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blujax01 View Post

I use Titegroup in my 45 just I advise caution.

In that location are quite a few folks here who but will not allow a jug of this stuff on their benches for two reasons:
ane) It is a very low volume powder and as such a double accuse will easily fit in the case. Keep yer heart on the ball!
2) It is a very fast burning pulverisation and reaches tiptop pressure quickly. It is imperative that you start at the depression stop and piece of work your way up. As you approach maximum load the probability of an oops increases exponentially.

My nine'due south eat whatever I feed them.

TiteGroup causes leading bug with many bandage bullets too.
If you are Conscientious it works well for .45 ACP, however I went back to Bullseye.

02-22-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted past ldhunter1959 View Post

Cheers for the responses. I practise shoot "cheap" and therefore load mostly hardened lead bullets, and so those suggesting my bullets are the biggest culprit are probably correct.
Existence pretty new to reloading - just for about a year at present - I was "throwing out" my powders to see if peradventure I was using something viewed as uncommonly dirty. Too, every bit these accept been the only two powder I have used, looking for some suggestions for irresolute.
I practise tend to load at the lower to mid-level for my semi-machine loads. With the lee disks y'all seem to exist restricted a lot - bought an adjustable charge bar recently, simply take not read upwards much on how it works, but that information technology evidently gives me a little flake more than control over my loads.

Well, there ya go

If you were to shoot jacketed bullets (non maxim you should) with the same powders you lot would see (or not meet) a big difference. The lube tends to hold onto all the carbon and "stuff". I utilize HP 38/Westward 231 for pretty much whatsoever and all calibers and bullets. It works well. I see no reason to alter.

02-22-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted past hawgleg View Post

I apply Bullseye and Universal Clays both meter cracking with the Lee Pro Auto Disk. I think good metering powders is high on my list. I but reload for 9mm,38/357 45 acp and 45 Colt and have all my loads covered with these two powders. I'm thinking of trying a slower powder for the 45 Colt and 357 only haven't decided what to apply just yet. But I know what always I try it will have to meter well.

HP 38 will exercise it all. Maybe non full house 357 Mags but skilful enough for comfortable shooting works very well in 45 Colt. 2400 works well for 357 Mag and meters well.

02-26-2012, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by VAdoublegunner View Post

WSF usually works well in 9mm and 40S&West because both operate at relatively higher pressures. Information technology meters bully and is fairly economical to employ. I as well like it in 45ACP, the old "one powder" approach, and get some of my all-time accuracy from it. I find that information technology is at its best at max listed loads, notwithstanding. WST may be improve at lower level loads.

WSF also seems to work pretty well with bandage bullets, simply no cast bullet load will shoot particularly "clean" with any powder due to the nature of the bullet/lube.

^^THIS^^ WSF is really quite "clean" as to carbon deposits. Information technology doesn't do well westward/ bunnyfart loads, so if y'all desire calorie-free loads, get faster. WST is a really great choice for whatever 45acp std pressure load, any bullet wt or type. In 9mm, you lot can't get to full ability loads west/ WST & reasonable pressures, only pretty close & for 50fps less vel, information technology'south also a peachy performer w/ whatsoever bullet wt or type.
W231/HP38 falls style short for the magnums or 45colt, you are ameliorate off w/ the WSF or sim medium burner IMO. For full power loads in the magnums or heavy 45colt, 2400 works great.

02-26-2012, 06:00 AM

You aren't going to observe any powders cleaner than WSF or HP-38/W231 and then yous merely might have to change bullets.

I was about to suggest AA#v until I saw yous mail service on using inexpensive lead bullets. Even though i have never establish HP-38 to be dirty I was going to suggest AA#v because it's also very clean.

02-26-2012, 01:50 PM

45 acp is what I load

Clean burners for me...

WW452AA
WW231
Bullseye

02-26-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hawgleg View Post

I think a make clean burning powder in reloading is a myth. Light loads are the worst with mid to max better. The shop bought stuff shoots cleaner because almost use some type of blended powders or a type not offered to the public for reloading.

Great advice. Whatsoever powder that is loaded near max volition assist the contumely to seal in the chamber and minimize the grit that gets in the action.

02-26-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted past hawgleg View Post

I remember a clean burning powder in reloading is a myth. Lite loads are the worst with mid to max amend. The store bought stuff shoots cleaner because most use some type of blended powders or a blazon not offered to the public for reloading.

Simply accept a few rags and some Handi-Wipes and take fun. If you're shooting pb bullets the lube could also be part of the trouble. I remember it's just the toll you pay for getting to shoot cheaper bullets.

Although I retrieve as well much emphasis is put on clean burning powders, you couldn't be more wrong. There are some powders out at that place that really burn very cleanly. I've tried e3 in lite target .45 ACP rounds. It is incredibly clean. American Select is very clean.

02-27-2012, 09:thirty AM

In selecting a "clean" powder, one matter that you should keep in mind besides operating force per unit area is load density, particularly with autoloading pistol cartridges. Choosing a powder that fills the case to the base of the bullet is desireable for several reasons, not the least of which is that it prevents overcharges but more than importantly helps check bullet setback in case of a poor crimp.

I first started considering this when loading for 357 Sig, a somewhat more difficult automobile pistol cartridge to load for. It has a short neck, the bullets oft are merely offset their ogive curve at the point where crimping for max OAL is reached, and the bottleneck itself makes proper crimp setting difficult unless done in a separate stride. Having a case nearly full of powder helps to forestall setback during crimping, and may aid in lessening it as the bullet is driven into the feed ramp.

I think virtually of the problems I have seen with 45ACP, for example, came with the use of low load density powders coupled with a poor crimp. If setback occurs, you could get loftier order. In the 357 Sig, it tin become a pregnant issue rapidly. So in trying to get the "cleanest" burn, be cautious against selecting a depression load density fast powder that leaves a lot of air in the instance. It is better to selection a pulverisation that burns amend at its preferred or max operating pressure simply provides a total instance than ane which is depression loading density, imho.

Of course, with cast bullets, some powders burn "hotter" or take progressive burning characteristics that are slower to reach max pressures to give good obturation and seal, thus cause volatilization of the bullet base and atomic number 82 redeposition in the throat or first part of the bore. Thus, bad leading. That is one of the reasons you volition see that I rarely use or advocate Unique any longer. I had far more problems getting information technology to exercise what I wanted without a lot of leading, peculiarly with variable hardness commercial cast bullets, than other powders that burned "cleaner".

02-28-2012, x:23 PM

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Originally Posted by deanodog View Post

Bullseye, unique and 2400 loads everything I reload. They are the just powders I utilise in pistol rounds.

+i!
Bullseye is terrific for both 45ACP and 9mm. The dirt that it does generate is easy to clean off both contumely and gun. I used to use 231, but establish that information technology left a gritty deposit that was difficult to become rid of.
Unique works well in the 45ACP as well. I accept never tried it in 9mm.

02-28-2012, 11:36 PM

Bullseye-38 special and 45 acp

Unique-45 acp,45 colt,mild to medium 44 magnum

2400-357 magnum,44 magnum

02-07-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by andyo5 View Post

+i!
Bullseye is terrific for both 45ACP and 9mm. The dirt that it does generate is easy to clean off both brass and gun. I used to use 231, just found that information technology left a gritty eolith that was hard to get rid of.
Unique works well in the 45ACP too. I have never tried information technology in 9mm.

I like Bullseye in my .38 special and 9 mm.

02-08-2016, 09:54 PM

American Select was mentioned several times here. I used information technology exclusively for trap loads for many years. I started reloading 45 acp virtually the fourth dimension that the great powder debacle hit and Bullseye became unobtainium. I think Jerry Miculek said in a video that he used AS for his 45 acp loads. I had a hard time finding load data (it didn't exist) only persevered.

Somewhen I worked upward a load that I similar and I continue to apply information technology. Bullseye is corking powder but Equally burns cleaner. Alliant still doesn't take load information for 200 and 230 gr bullets but I can assure you that you can safely load it mild to wild for those bullets.

The stuff almost seems like it's made for 45 acp.

I don't load 9mm and so no feel there.

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